In 2007, Tennessee beat Kentucky in 4 overtimes by a score of 52 - 50. My question is about two penalties. Tennessee intercepted a Kentucky pass in the 2nd OT and was in the process of running the ball back when a Kentucky player reached out and almost took the Tennessee players head off with a flagrant face mask grab. The penalty was not counted due to the end of the 2nd OT. In the 3rd OT, Tennessee failed to score the 2 point conversion that would have won the game and Foster threw the ball in disgust and was called for unsportsmanlike. They ran that penalty off against Tennessee making us start from the 40 yard line instead of the 25 in the first possession of the 4th OT. Why was one team penalized on a debatable call and the other was not penalized on a flagrant call? Didn't stop Tennessee as we scored a 40 yard TD pass on the next play and got the 2 point conversion. Kentucky scored but did not make the 2 point conversion.
You'd have to find a real rules guru. My guess is that a "dead ball foul" vs. a foul during play might have something to do with it. A better question; why is this coming up now??? Been watching ancient history on the SEC network or something. :wink:
Tom As to the intercepted pass, was it part of the conversion? If it was there are no penalties called after a turnover on a conversion since there would be no way to replay the down after a walkoff of the penalty.
In regulation time, a defensive penalty on the last play of the half or the game extends the clock by one play for the offense. It would seem to me that the same rule would hold for OT. Apparently not. Since I'm confused why the first penalty was not enacted, I'm also confused by the enactment of the second penalty. I agree with Stu. You need a rules guru to interpret why one was negated and the other was called. :?
Stu: Yes, was watching a replay of that game just before writing this. Gip/Sid: The facemask was on an interception on 3rd down (if memory serves) and our guy took it back 60 yards from out 5 to the opposite 35 yard line before a defender, running the opposite direction grabbed his face mask pulling his feet off the ground. I can probably understand that we would not get a chance to score on one play to win. I just want to know why, after this flagrant foul that could have severely injured our player, we were not given the ball with a 15 yard walk off to start our half of that overtime. period. When Foster was pissed that he did not get the 2 point conversion on a TD in the next OT, he didn't spike the ball... he threw it up in the air and was called for unsportsmanlike conduct. If he got the ball in, the game was over. Since he didn't, the tied game went to the next OT. We had to start that next OT period from the 40 yard line. I just don't understand why one was walked off and the other was not.
My guess (again)...is that once the ball is blown dead (on a turnover play) in OT that series is over and any penalties incurred are void. My guess is that because the 2nd penalty occurred AFTER the series was over, and thus was a dead ball foul...it is carried over into the next series. C'mon guys...somebody must know a ref who can spell this out for us.
I found this...here. http://www.fark.com/comments/3225059/It-took-4-OTs-but-Kentucky-proved-once-again-it-knows-how-to-snatch-defeat-from-jaws-of-victory
Rule 9, Section 2, Article 3, d: An obviously unfair act not specifically covered by the rules occurs during the game (AR 4-2-1-II and 9-2-3-I). PENALTY - The referee may take any action he considers equitable, which includes directing that the down be repeated, including assessing a 15-yard penalty, awarding a score, or suspending or forfeiting the game [S27]. The referee COULD have given Tennessee some relief, but my guess is since this rule is rarely, if ever, used there would have been uproar.
Good research, Terry and Kes. Kes, your guess is reasonable, but in my opinion, it shouldn't matter if the rule is rarely used. It should be called..........unless, of course, it would be against my team. :lol:
He's got all the Tennessee games taped...he's just a little behind what with all the car racing and stuff.