We have a mental problem..... not a gun problem

So I guess you all agree with the gun advocates that our country just has more crazy lunatics in it than any other nation.

Certainly all of these mass shootings done at random killing innocent children and young adults has nothing to do with the ease in acquiring weapons?

Nothing to do with that at all.......

.... yep..... that's what I thought. :roll:

 

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How many lives are saved by guns? Wasn't Tom saved by having a gun handy?

 

White House Study Finds Guns Save Lives: “Consistently Lower Injury Rates Among Gun Using Crime Victims”

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/white-house-study-finds-guns-save-lives-consistently-lower-injury-rates-among-gun-using-crime-victims_06272013

http://guns-save-lives.com/fact-sheet-guns-save-lives/

 

Armed Guards Ended Oregon School Shooting…




Via Breitbart:


When a teenage student brought a gun into Troutdale, Oregon’s Reynolds High School on June 10, the carnage he could have caused was cut short by two armed resource officers who ran toward the sound of the shots.

The officers–Nick Thompson and Kyle Harris–closed in on the shooter’s proximity in “less than a minute.”

According to Oregon Live, “Troutdale Police Chief Scott Anderson credited the two resource officers… for preventing further carnage.” Said Anderson: “I believe their quick response saved many of our students’ lives.”

“At least one of the officers fired shots,” he added.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/10/Armed-Guards-Ended-Reynolds-High-School-Attack

 

Licensed guards....yep.... that's the group we have a problem with.. :shock:

Mac Slavo? from SHTP.com is the expert we should all listen to?

As long as we continue as nation to polarize ourselves politically and pretend this problem of easy gun access for crazies doesn't exist just for the sake of politics I don't see the lunatics going away any time soon.

Pop.... pop.... we're dead.

 

The alternative is to rewrite the Constitution. Those who wrote it wanted the citizens to be able to rise again if government became oppressive. It's no surprise that those spying on us, those forcing everyone to buy health insurance would want to take away guns. After all, they don't have complete control....yet.
We have laws that prevent those with mental health problems from buying guns. We have laws against assault and murder. So how do the delusional think that these incidents can be solved? Why pass another law. How absurd. :roll:

 

And that kind of rhetoric my friends is why innocent children will continue to get slaughtered in this country.

"Take away our guns"....... all of our guns? Even people who can pass the required extensive background checks that should be required before acquisition is allowable?

No one of any substance on the left or right proposes "taking away our guns"......

SOMEONE needs to enact tougher laws that will help to deter crazies getting guns.

 

Dave, didn't some kid recently stab a classmate to death in a school? Should we ban knives?

To elaborate on Gipper's constitutional argument , we have a President now who operates like a King. He unilaterally does whatever he wants. Is this the exact time you would want to disarm the citizenry ?

 

The crazies could surely get other weapons..... but guns are the most lethal and anonymous and harder to stop.

Surely you don't think bringing a knife to a gunfight is equitable?

Does anyone on the right offer up any real solutions to this almost daily crisis?

Since anything free like mental helath care is out for the right should these crazy people just be forced in to the workplace so that they had health insurance that only partially pays for care they cannot afford anyway at the minimum wages they would be employed at?

Damn I am certain working an honest 40 hour work week would cure these unfortunate mentally ill people of their craziness...... :roll:

At least if they can't cure their illness by hard work then they would have access to a busy workplace that would provide many targets for their mass shooting by easily acquired guns.

 

Even in one of the most gun controlled societies on the planet, Norway, a crazy guy killed something like 90 people.

 

Dave...

The problem is.... you can enact all these tough laws you propose, but they will do no good.
Why?
Because no one can identify the "crazies" you want to keep the guns away from.
The current privacy laws and such make it almost impossible to label anyone as "unsuitable" if they have not been incarcerated for a felony.

No guns for a nut job sounds great, until you try to point out the nut jobs.

And then there is the black market...

Oh... and if you'll notice we don't seem to have these problems down here in Texas... where everyone and their dog has a gun.
Wonder why that is?...

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It seems to me that getting a gun legally in Norway wasn't all that difficult for this guy:

"Also in 2009 he visited Prague in an attempt to buy illegal weapons. He was unable to obtain a weapon there, and Breivik decided to obtain weapons through legal channels in Norway instead. He obtained one semi-automatic 9 mm Glock 17 pistol legally by demonstrating his membership in a pistol club in the police application for a gun licence, and the semi-automatic Ruger Mini-14 rifle by possessing a hunting licence."

Scott.... ever heard of the Texas tower incident?

 

Dave, unless and until you let go of your unyielding cynicism toward the right, you will continue to be as close-minded as you accuse the right of being. You are looking only at the weapon of choice for the (your words) crazies. Look at the people themselves and what drove them to their horrible acts. Then look at the red flags they sent up to others and how those red flags were ignored. Look at the evolution of our society in terms of the highly stressful everyday struggles of the mentally ill and how they are ignored. Look at the inherent evil of the people like the Las Vegas shooters and how they are allowed to move about freely when they have shown clear indications of their instability.

There is no question that those on the far right are myopic and intransigent in many ways, but they are mirror images of those on the far left. The only difference is their beliefs. Think about that.

Go back to your title for this topic. You could amend it to say, we have a societal problem. As long as people on the left insist on using guns as the scapegoat, we will continue to ignore the depth and urgency of the societal problem.

 

Excellent thoughts Sid... totally agree.

Dave,
Really? You had to go back decades to come up with something?
There are some more recent examples, but nevermind...

 

Texas Tower and 6th floor.....Just shows you what a Motivated Marine can do with a Rifle.....Oswald had 3 hits including a headshot on a moving traget at 600 feet....

See there's a problem also....let's just get rid of the Marine Corps, and then we will only have to deal with so so shooters....

I know....this probably didn't help any....

 

"There is no question that those on the far right are myopic and intransigent in many ways, but they are mirror images of those on the far left"

I absolutely agree with that statement 110%.

I don't see it changing until someone with the funds like a Bill Gates or Warren Buffet can fund a third moderate party truly interested in the needs and thoughts of those on both sides.

Like all medical care and especially so for the mentally ill treatment and monitoring is very expensive and free care is hard to come by I would think.

I think both things should be addressed.... care and guns.... for there to be any real progress made.

One or the other is not the solution.

I repeat.... since the far right is so anti-socialistic when it comes to how a general populace receives it's medical care how do they propose that people in need receive the care they need when even people who have jobs put off medical care because they cannot afford the high cost of it?

So in the interim until we make improvements on the social side we just make guns an easy get for anyone that wants one?

Better duck for cover.... or as my 26 year old son said this week on his facebook he feels that any day that he leaves the house and returns at night without having been gunned down at random to be a successful day.

 

This old lady is just happy to wake up in the morning......We live in a place where everyone has a gun. well most. they like to play Roy Rogers and Dale Evans/ the wild west so to speak. Personally I don't care for guns but I can shoot with the best of them my Dad taught me when I was young. he also taught me how to respect and care. and that violence really never accomplish's anything but pain

 

Some of those crazies took guns that their parents or relatives owned. How do you prevent that?

Scott is right, how do you identify the people who are nut jobs about to go off? You'd have to take weapons away from everybody and only let the military or armed forces have them. Even then how do you know when one of those guys gets a screw loose.

 

What is YOUR solution?

 

As I said..... the nation as a whole.... with combined vigor and commitment needs to enact laws that make it very hard for unstable people to get guns and for those people also to get the proper mental care they need regardless of job or wealth status.

If you drive drunk and get caught and penalized for it you are very hard pressed to drive a car normally again.... it takes a lot of time, money and training to get things back in order.

If you have mental issues..... show instability..... the conservative right says don't screw with your constitutional right to own a lethal weapon.

By contrast if you drive drunk.... you are not allowed to drive what could be a lethal weapon on the street.

The guy here in Florida who pulled out his weapon in a movie theater because of a popcorn throwing incident claiming stand your ground never should have been carrying that weapon and I'll bet a psychological profile would have put him in the cancelled/no gun category.

And he most certainly deserved to be there.