MD might just be an answer for Texas..... heck MSU is a state school in Michigan... a state where everyone but Gipper is going broke so I don't think the Spartans can out bid the Longhorns.... :wink:
Doc T ..... <r><E>:twisted:</E> DOC Can you tell me please..who played in the very first Rose Ball game...?? <E>:wink:</E> <E>:wink:</E></r>
The announcers didn't tell the whole story. They just told of the first game in 1902 and it was not played again until 1916. The game in 1902 was between Michigan and Stanford. They did not say why it was not played again until 1916... Do you know JIF?
I can tell you who played (and who won, in a shutout! which is unfortunate for jiffer) the first of the annual Rose Bowl Games.
It is interesting to look at the teams in the pre-WWII games, West Coast vs South East for the most part. Alabama went 4 times.
Best part of this years Rose Bowl... Of course given Dantonio's heart problems, maybe dousing your coach with an Ice Cold drink isn't the best move.
:idea: :!: re: Rose Bowl not played The parade is 125 years old. The whole idea of having a football game was to pay for the parade, which was getting expensive. Promoters were shocked when over 8,000 fans showed up for Michigan-Stanford in 1902, which exceeded their wildest expectations. This launched a huge argument between local Pasadena businessmen, West Coast football fans, and Hollywood movie types over what was best for the Rose Parade. The result was more than a decade of chariot races in the Arroyo Seco, which were successful at first, but dwindling crowds saw the races abandoned in favor a football in 1916, and the game has been there ever since... re: Maps to the Stars Homes Not this time. Michigan State fans aren't cheeseheads or country bumpkins. They had a huge turnout here for their team, and they acted like they had been here before... re: Shaw's play calling I was going to do a long analysis of how primitive Shaw's offense is, but you guys are way ahead of me. When Bart Starr ran this offense for Vince Lombardi it always worked, but times have changed. The theory is to simply out-execute your opponent with bigger people, but the failure of this plan in modern football is the reason that Stanford lost three games. They almost lost to Notre Dame for the same reason. Blast, power, trap may have worked 50 years ago, and it will always work against an out-manned opponent, but teams like Michigan State, USC, Notre Dame and Oregon aren't out-manned by anybody. Even Utah had enough to dump the Cardinal this year, when they could score only 7 points in the final 3 quarters. Shaw needs a new plan...
Bet the local bars in LA and Pasadena missed having the 30-40k Cheeseheads depleting their liquor supply....
I had this typed up waiting on Joel to see if he could answer my question. Jim answered most of it but he didn't mention the "quitting in the 3rd quarter" part. Here is what I had ready: The game was so dominated by Michigan that Stanford quit in the third quarter when the score reached 49 – 0. The Rose bowl game was initially added to the Rose parade to offset the cost of the parade. The game was so lopsided that interest dropped the next year. From 1903 to 1915, they had chariot races, ostrich races and other various events instead of football. In 1916, football returned and that game was the State college of Washington (now Washington State) vs. Brown.
I didn't read any reports of couch burning in East Lansing. Was it too cold or was the supply of burnable couches depleted by the victory over Ohio State?
1. I think classes are still out in E. Lansing 2. Wind Chill below 0 Keeps some of the semi-intelligent indoors.
From Wikipedia: When I was in school, before the JACC was built, the game ball was on display in the lobby of the Rockne Memorial Athletic Building ("The Rock"). I don't know where it is now.
History of the Rose Bowl, records: P10 vs. B10 is 32-18 the last 50 times they've played (34-31 all-time). P10 vs. non-B10 is 14-12-3 all-time (0-2 since 1947 (2003 and 2006)). B10 vs. non-P10 is 0-2 all-time (2005 and 2011). The Rose Bowl has had three games in which neither the P10 or B10 were represented (2002 BSCG, 1919 and 1918). The Rose Bowl has had one game in which the P10 played itself (1944). We've been screwed out of our traditional matchup five times since the P10/B10 matchups began in 1947 (2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2011). I would posit that last night's game is a perfect argument as to why the Rose Bowl should stay between the two conferences. Too bad they couldn't find a way to keep its rich traditions starting with the playoffs next year.
To add to Kesley's history lesson, in 1942 he Rose Bowl was layed on the East coast due to fears of a Japanese invasion on the West coast during WWII. Duke played in that one as well.
From a modern perspective it's hard to imagine that anybody really thought that the Japanese could invade the West Coast. When you look at the Armada of ships that went across the English Channel to invade France on D-Day, and then think about where the Japanese could stage such an Armada it boggles the mind that it was a real fear.
T - I don't think it was a fear of a D-day type invasion as much as it was a fear of a terrorist type bombing. The same fear had a fake city built on top of the Boeing building in Seattle, to disguise a juicy target from long-range bombings. Hell, balloon bombs made it to the West Coast, so I don't think there was much the US could have done in 1942 to keep carriers from getting close enough to launch one-way kamikaze bombers on West Coast targets. Intelligence wasn't good enough at the time to know that Japan had pulled a tortoise move after biting the tail of the devil dog.