I'm on the outside looking in, but IMO it could have been worse.....no bowl ban, loss of 3 scholarships per year for 3 years. http://espn.go.com/college-football...an-lose-nine-scholarships-part-ncaa-sanctions
I think that the penalty reflects the NCAA screwups involved in investigating and not the infractions alleged. As Corey mentioned in another thread, Miami has been under a cloud for some time and that has had quite an impact on the program. I wouldn't be surprised if the sanctions weren't agreed upon between the school and the NCAA with a promise by the school not to litigate the NCAA's indiscretions.
They got off very easy given what was exposed. I get it that the NCAA screwed up the investigation and I guess that is like the cops getting evidence without proper procedure and having it thrown out of court not because it wasn't damning evidence but because it was not obtained properly. I think gipper is probably right, the sanctions were accepted by Miami before hand in return for not challenging them or suing the NCAA for it's transgressions in Court. This won't hurt Miami's resurgence under Golden in the least bit. Well maybe a little but not much. Will the ACC have anything to add on to that?
They self imposed missing an ACC Championship game and two bowl games. The NCAA adds 9 scholarships over three years. Not the toughest of penalties but the NCAA screwed up royally and probably lessened the penalties.
Let me also say that the NCAA drug this on for over three years and lack of institutional control was in the findings which Miami accepted and does not intend to appeal. Time to move on for Miami and everyone else.
Football program penalties: • Reduction of football scholarship by a combined total of nine during the 2014-15, 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons. • Miami may only provide a prospect on unofficial visits complementary tickets for one home game during the 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons. Self-imposed by the university: • Two-year bowl ban following the 2011 and 2012 seasons, including the 2012 ACC Championship Game. • Reduction of official paid visits for 2012-13 by 20 percent to a total of 36 visits. • Reduction of fall evaluations in 2012-13 by six (from 42 to 36). • Reduction of available contact days during the 2012-13 contact period by 20 percent.
Ok, first thing, wow, I expected much worse and this penalty is the most optimistic scenario one could have wished for.... But Really!!! It took three years for this penalty to be handed down where abortion money was mentioned, lap dances, lack of institutional control in a form never seen before, payoffs and don't forget the expose Yahoo sports convicted us on three years ago....All this from a CONVICTED FELON who robbed millions from people in a $930 million dollar ponzi scheme.... Two and half years ago, the NCAA declared war on Miami. Since that time nine key members of the NCAA's enforcement team have been fired or fled in shame. Meanwhile Mark Emmert has become one of the most reviled and mocked figures in sports... Is Miami innocent, absolutely not...But did it require this length of time to hand down the judgment. How many recruits changed their minds in coming to the school. How many coaches used this against Miami to sway recruits their way.. Glad its over and done with...Now the field is even in recruiting for the first time in years. Ding Dong the witch is dead....Good riddance...
As I mentioned above, this is what it's all about at the end of the day... http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/62018/miami-recruiting-now-full-speed-ahead
As I said earlier I do think you guys got off easy, even though the NCAA violated a lot of their rules in the investigation and it drug on too long. I hadn't considered that maybe the whole thing dragging on has hurt your recruiting already, but your class for 2014 is ranked in the top 5 by Rivals, your 2013 Class was #20 on Rivals, and your 2012 class was ranked #9 by Rivals. So I'm not really seeing the whole it's hurt our recruiting argument so much. No doubt it was a messed up investigation though, and so much of the information came from a convicted felon ...doesn't make it untrue though. I guess the best thing that came out today is that it's over and you can move forward, play in a bowl this year, play in the ACC championship game, BCS game, etc. You'll lose a few scholarships but not that many, nothing like USC. The NCAA got a black eye and deservedly so and there is momentum for NCAA reform due to this and other problems...a badly needed thing.
Had the NCAA done to everyone else, what they did to Miami and take the route that they did against Miami, we would have all sorts of programs facing major sanctions or shut downs. Had the NCAA taken the same tactics against Auburn, there's no Cammy juice in the title game. Alabama's boasting rogue semi-pro OT?!? Gone, scholarships taken, titles forfeited.. etc... And God help us if we ever peel back the layer of what's going on down on the bayou... But the NCAA didn't, they hide behind their own regulations saying 'it's all we can do' and that's fine... but why break the law against one, but not all the others?! It's discriminatory at best. I don't think the Canes got off light. Did they deserve it? Oh yeah. At the same time, as Ralph mentioned, they've been getting their ass kicked in a PR war for 2.5 years because the NCAA handled this so poorly. And honestly, getting their ass kicked would be fine if everyone else cheating gets their ass kicked too. But that's not the case at all.
Sure the revelations/allegations that came out about how the program was run were pretty shocking. But as I pointed out it hasn't hurt them recruiting.
Terry you make a good point from a fans perspective. But speaking for Al Golden who is not here at the moment, it sure has made my job recruiting a very difficult one to say the least. Every recruit he has approached for three years has been downloaded with information that Miami is going down, they may quit the football program, guarantee of heavy sanctions and other dogma. Top that off with your not going to play in a bowl game in your tenure there if you chose Miami. It is only the incredible job that Golden has been able to do recruiting in the middle of this mess that gives us respectable numbers in recruiting rankings. I don't think many people really understand just how good this guy is as a recruiter going back to his Temple days. I can say this, Florida and FSU are going to be the first to realize his talent starting in 2014. Hands down South Florida is the one of the top recruiting hot beds in the nation and some may argue the best. Miami has survived the last few seasons by the abundance of this talent but could not bring in the 4 or 5 game breakers needed to push them into the top ten bcs rankings. Our current ranking is a farce and we will be exposed when we play FSU in two weeks. This now allows us to keep the game changers that have ended up in Alabama, Florida, FSU and Ohio St among others...
If Golden can have a top 5 class this year with all the **** that has been going around about Miami, then it's annie bar the door going forward in recruiting. He'll put a fence up around South Fla. I seem to remember that Spurrier hardly ever even tried to get kids out of So Fla back in the day. Can he coach 'em is always the question. I think he can, he's no Larry Coker!
Ralph, Glad to hear the sanctions were not too severe! Bowl ban would have hurt. We were banking on no bowl ban, but the fact that Tressel flat out lied caused that ban in my opinion. Time to move forward and whip Alamamba to help our cause. :lol:
Thank you Don, what would the world be thinking now if only there was no bowl ban for Ohio St.... Terry, that is the big question, can he coach'em...I have seen us get out coached in two halves this year before making adjustments, we'll see... My final comment on today's NCAA judgement regarding the U of Miami. I have followed the Canes with much interest since the late 70's and seen the good with the bad. Miami can be a paradise of hot Latino's, fine restaurants, near naked beaches and agents with money spilling out of their pockets. Can the university control the fine outstanding college athletes from dabbling into this excess of paradise for very long? Or will we see a repeat of this once again somewhere down the road...If history is any measure I will see something like this happen again, it is inevitable. I hope I am wrong but the allure of the city and fast cars with bodacious babes seems to get them every-time.... :?:
Al Golden is a "neighborhood" guy from neighboring Colts Neck, NJ. You got no worries, Ralphie. Capice?