And the beat goes on......

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  1. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Not learning from their bitter lessons of defeat in the November elections now the hard conservative right/Tea Party wants to rid the GOP of the one guy who has been chiefly responsible for much of the GOP's success in the last two decades:

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-02-28/a-republican-revolt-against-karl-rove

    So lemme get this straight.... moderate Americans just ain't buying the far right crap that some of the fringe GOP wants to cram down their collective throats and yet people with possible moderate acceptance like Christie of NJ and people with an understanding of how it all works like Karl Rove are basically discredited by the far right.

    Hmmmm.... I think I know who to bet on come the next general elections... :lol: 8)
     
  2. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    Much ado about nothing. It's politics.

    I have no doubt that you will continue to support candidates whose agenda is to redistribute the wealth and increase the govts position in your life. Free stuff sells well.
     
  3. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    No Terry..... just trying to keep a healthy distance from those on the fringe that want to define the rest of us.
     
  4. gipper

    gipper Well-Known Member

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    By constantly siding with those that lable their opponents, greedy, heartless, war-mongering, intolerant homophobes? :roll:
     
  5. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    No Gipper.... by not siding with those that only care about winning a primary..... as Warren Buffet so aptly put in a Sunday TV interview I saw.

    That's his reasoning for why we are so divided as a nation and really it's a no brainer.
    Somehow the fringe element of the GOP seems to ultimately have enough to say about how the party does it's business that they get in the way of enabling the party to have mass election appeal.
     
  6. gipper

    gipper Well-Known Member

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    So John McCain and Mitt Romney were the chosen candidates of the "fringe" elements of the Republican party? I can only conclude that a "moderate" in your view is someone like Michael Bloomberg. Wow! Unbelievable!
     
  7. Sid

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    Both sides can take credit for the divisiveness that permeates our country today. The president is not a consensus builder. He is a Machiavellian-style divider whose relentless taunting of the opposition party fuels the ire of the average citizen. He is abetted by the leadership of the Democrats in Congress.....Reid, Pelosi, et all.......who speak of the opposition without an iota of respect.

    On the other side, the Tea Party simply doesn't seem to get it. We agree on one thing, Dave. If the Republicans lose in 2014 and 2016, the Tea Party's divisiveness will be a major - but not the only - factor. The non-tea party conservative element of the party is as divisive as the Dems. The only difference is that so far they are in second place at the polls.

    The Dems have one big thing going for them....the mood of the average citizen. Obama is a populist idol. He speaks to people's emotions and convinces them in an almost hypnotic way to think with their emotions and not their brains. He promises everything. He panders to the lowest common denominator.

    If this is the direction of our country for the foreseeable future, we are heading down a dangerous path IMO. I hope that something will give in the next few years and that we will see a return to a healthy balance of power, but I am not optimistic.
     
  8. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Sid I agree.

    Instead of "winning" for the party.... for the ideology... we need to have leadership that believes in winning for America.
     
  9. George Krebs

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    Karl Rove is a contributing factor to my renouncing my Republican party affiliation after 40 years and becoming an Independent. When Sean Hannity calls him " The Architect " I think back to what I read about Josef Goebbels. My niece is a Washington attorney who worked for Bush and Dana Perino and told me that he is a Grade A creep.

    The only advantage the Democrats have at this time is that they are reaping the rewards of carefully cultivating the biggest block of voters in the nation.... the entitlement dependent. That is why they won in November, nothing more.
    The only thing that will stop them is when enough people throw up their hands and join the pity party and there is no one left to subsidize the handouts. We're close....
     
  10. JO'Co

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    Number Of Americans Collecting Disability Hits Another All-Time High, Beneficiaries Now Larger Than Population Of Greece…
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    And 95% of these people will never work another day in their life, thankfully SSDI isn’t rife with fraud and abuse . . . no, wait?


    (CNSNews.com) – The total number of people in the United States now receiving federal disability benefits hit a record 10,962,532 million in April, which exceeds the 10,815,197 people who live in the nation of Greece.

    According to newly released data from the Social Security Administration, the record 10,962,532 total disability beneficiaries in April, included a record 8,865,586 disabled workers (up from 8,853,614 in March), 1,936,236 children of disabled workers, and 160,710 spouses of disabled workers.

    According to its latest census, Greece had only 10,815,197 residents.

    April was the 195th straight month that the number of American workers collecting federal disability payments increased. The last time the number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997. That month the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249 people—from 4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/10962532-us-disability-beneficiaries-exceed-population-greece
     
  11. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    To collect unemployment.... or disability....or social security.....
    ..is to live in poverty.

    So you are saying that Americans relish the opportunity to live in poverty.

    Not me....I don't believe that.
     
  12. gipper

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    Poverty my ass. They get food stamps, free cell phones, medicade, need based scholarships and many other benefits.

    Read this article
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/entitlement-america-head-household-making-minimum-wage-has-more-disposable-income-family-mak
     
  13. Stu Ryckman

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  14. IrishCorey

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    Interesting. As someone who is still on the job hunt, I often wonder about these social welfare programs because honestly.. times are pretty ******* bad for me.

    That being said.. Being unemployed and owing child support, all I could qualify for is food stamps. On a lark, I actually looked into all other programs and was flatly told I wouldn't qualify. If I had a small village of children, I'd qualify hand over fist.

    However, I'm to meet rent, utilities, phone, child support and all other possible responsibilities that come with parenting on $200 a week.. and even that got cut with the sequester.

    I have no idea who or how these people qualify for that stuff, but it ain't me.

    Just some perspective.

    Also, last sidenote, there are entire programs out there that literally hand some of these people jobs. I've just received my 7th 'overqualified, we don't want to hire you, train you and lose you' denial OF THIS MONTH. We won't even talk about last month.

    I'm thinking of drooling on my next application and listing it as a job skill.
     
  15. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to hear about your situation Corey... hope a job finds you fast.

    What I was trying to say is that even if you could qualify for those programs I don't think that's what you would aspire to financially and I think many Americans would feel the same way.

    It's not that damned lucrative unless you live in the Smoky mountain hills or a gutted out city block in Detroit or something like that.
     
  16. gipper

    gipper Well-Known Member

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    This country if full of folks like the Occupy Wall Street gang that would rather sit in a filthy tent city demonstrating and raping than be out pounding the pavement looking for a job.
     
  17. IrishCorey

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    Yeah there are people who are 'professionally unemployed.' I can vouch for that. Some of the contract jobs here require you to go to the unemployment office to apply. You see people there doing their appeals. They will openly boast about working just long enough to qualify for unemployment again because getting paid minimum wage or slightly above is less than the benefit life.

    Now how they qualify for the benefit life? I don't know.