This is just too funny. First OU gets screwed by a replay ref who simply refused to believe what his monitor showed him. Now Oklahoma State gets screwed by a replay ref who reviewed a play that the rules didn't allow him to review!! I eagerly await the indignant outbursts from Mike Gandy and the President of Oklahoma State!! C-USA Suspends Replay Ref Oh yeah the call he overturned was a fumble recovery by Oklahoma State, it was not reviewable under the rules but according to this article it was called correctly on the field and overturned by the refs. Cougars scored on the possession and won the game 35-24. It was in the first half so the Cowboys had time to overcome the mistake. But still ... Terry
It's a little confusing but it seems as though the replay official may have overruled a wrong call but it wasn't reviewable. So the guy in Ore. gets suspended for the wrong call and this guy gets suspended for the right call. Why bother to review the calls at all?
No what they need is a rules offical inbetween the refs and the replay guys to make sure the replay guys don't get the opportunity to review unless it is proper. Plus they need a central replay control someplace where they oversee all of this can can intervene if the guys on site are screwing up.
I.... <t>Told myself I was off this topic but I sure hope ND doesn't experience this same ineptness down the line at a crucial time. When it hits your favorite team the mood changes to say the least.<br/> <br/> I saw most of the UH/Okie St game on TV # 2 and Okie St never stopped Houston all night.</t>
On another front, after learning that John L. Smith is sending game tape to the B10 to point out the mismanagement of the sideline incident in the ND/MSU game, the B10 refs who did the game are sending a game tape to the MSU AD pointing out the mismanagement of the game by John L. Smith. Terry
I don't agree a team "has time to overcome the ref's mistake". When it's ND vs. Army or Florida vs. UCF then maybe that is a true statement. When it happens in a competitive, evenly matched game like Tenn-Fla, ND-Michigan or Ga-Auburn etc. one serious, momentum changing mistake by the ref can be the difference in the ball game...and that is never acceptable to me.
This is where your mantra sorely misses the point by conveniently ignoring the essence of competing throughout the entire game. Regardless of the circumstances at the very moment of the call in question, it's everything that happens over the entire game that ultimately determines the final score. The "call" certainly would be one element, but it is one of many elements which contribute to the outcome. Until you can recognize that, you are doomed to wallow in your private world of ifs, ands, and but-fors. I never saw the infamous FL-FSU game that apparently was controlled by the ACC refs. From what I have heard and read, it is a sad example of multiple calls over the course of the game that definitely affected the outcome because they never allowed FL to execute successfully. That game is a glaring exception to what I described above. Under less extreme circumstances, to blame one or even two calls/noncalls for a game's outcome is ludicrous.
The Florida-FSU game you describe was affected in the way that you describe in that there were multiple calls all game long that all went to FSU and UF was fortunate to even be in the game at the end. But...there can be single, game deciding bad ref calls. Not every bad call is a game deciding one but I'll give you a single call that went FOR Florida vs. FSU in 1967 that in reality from the photos I have seen could have been overturned by replay and FSU would have been the winner. It was only one call but the FSU receiver in photos looked to have hauled in the winning touchdown and FSU fans have never forgotten it and many don't acknowledge having lost that game. As you know I feel much the same way about the UT-UF game of 2004 in which the ref admitted later he made a bad call on UF's WR Dallas Baker. Also to make matters worse, the SEC office admitted the crew should have started the clock much sooner after walking off the misguided penalty instead of saving a crucial 15-18 seconds as they incorrectly did for Tenn to use on offense and then kick a winning 51 yard FG with 6 seconds on the clock. These calls came at the end of the game as did the Or-OU call that spurs the current controversy. Mostly these single, game changing calls almost have to come at the end of the game to have a deciding effect but in an evenly matched, hard fought game any significant edge given to a team on a bad call can make the ultimate difference....but not always.
Hey MCG, in order to keep peace around here, I am going to do something with you that I have been doing with Cindy for 23+ years. :shock: Noooooooo! Get your collective minds out of the gutter! :evil: I have stated that Cindy and I have been married for 23+ years because I say "Yes Dear" whether I mean it or not. So, I will slightly modify that to: "Yes Dave." 8)
Thanks Tom and yes you had me concerned for a second. :lol: I'll just go with it....until someone invariably brings it up again. The problem is that this seems to be a national hot button now and either the refs will try real, real hard to get it right or more controversy will bring more debate and possible changes.
Funny thing is... I think that they get the replays right in college (recent errors notwithstanding) than the pros. I am constantly rolling my eyes at the replay rulings in the NFL.
They'll never "get it right" all the time, even with replay. There have always been blown calls and there always will be. It's part of the game. :wink: