With moves like this it's apparent the GOP conservatives don't get it: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/25/christie-not-on-cpacs-guest-list/ I can see that the words cooperation and moderate do not exist in the conservative vocabulary.
Do you, by any chance, recall the actions of the Democratic Party from roughly the end of the year 2000 until January 20, 2009?
I did see this newslink online though and about fell out of my chair: "GOP leaders back gay unions" Not only are they backing gays but unions as well??? :lol: :lol: That oversized asteroid must surely be on it's way.... :wink: :lol:
Dave's right about Christie. The GOP doesn't get it. And as long as "The Architect" is running the show, they won't.
Oh, well let me educate you. In the 90s, the GOP led Congress had a standoff with the President in which compromise was a clear light at the end of the road. The Executive essentially did not believe they had the balls. The Legislative called their bluff and the longer the shut down went on, the more egg on the face of the Executive there was. You see, someone is suppose to be in charge of this mess. (whether or not that's true is another case for another day, it's about perception in politics) Compromise was had and great economic success followed. In the 00s, the Democrats ham fisted their opposition to any and everything GOP declaring it all protest to the illegitimate President. The few items in which they did compromise, they would then lie about or pretend they did not endorse any such ideas. When they got their way, and those programs came crashing down, they blamed the illegitimate President. Since 09, the Democrats have been unflinching in their bullying politically. It's a mistake the GOP made and it cost them dearly several times. It's a mistake the Democrats have made several times and paid dearly. It's all cyclical. Sooner or later, they'll destroy themselves again. Both parties do it. My issue now is that the stakes have been raised to such a level that we really are on a bit of a financial cliff as a nation. I guess we'll see who will blink.. or maybe they'll all go right back to whoring the country out and serving their corporate masters while you continue to believe that there is truly a difference between the two.
Actually I believe the far side of either party is poison for the country. But I also believe the far right is still firmly in control of the GOP.... as further evidenced by their exclusion of Gov. Christie from the CPAC.
Ah yes the far right ran extreme candidates McCain and Romney for president. Meanwhile the Dems ran middle of the road moderate Obama. Remind me what the "C"in CPAC stands for?
Gip, you should know by now that evidence of a factual nature has no place in these discussion.....next thing we will hear is that sequestration is an evil plot hatched and forced upon the President by the radical conservative wing of the GOP bent on forcing the nation off the cliff towards fiscal disaster.....
Just so we're clear, in case Dave doesn't pick up on the dripping sarcasm in the 2 previous posts... You do realize that the last 2 GOP candidates were VERY moderate, yet were somehow magically transitioned into conservative, out of touch right wingers.. And, the far left of the Democratic Party has clearly taken hold of the country as well as the party. I mean, they aren't wearing hammer and sickle arms bands, but they might as well be. There is absolutely nothing moderate about any of the Democrats who have made up the power structure of the Democratic Party for the past 12 years. Just so we're clear, you do understand that right Dave?
The problem for the GOP with these two candidates was not that they were moderate.....it's that the voter perception come election time was that they were standing in the shadows of the party conservatives who were really pulling the strings. I think the Rove-Cheney-Bush trio is what created such a perception. A lot of people never felt that Bush was actually running his own show....
McCain was too old and too wishy-washy. The choice of Palin as a running mate was laughable. Romney had the chops but he came off as awkward trying to portray himself as the common man. We don't want or need a common man... we need a leader. Ryan never was able to overcome Biden's non-sensical bluster. I still think Christie could have won that election.
Nobody informed or the least bit knowledgeable..... He was however savvy and skilled enough to assemble a very accomplished and experienced Cabinet. Compare and contrast that with the carny show of incompetence that masquerades as our executive management team at present
Dave I would like to hear your opinion on Coreys post above. I can see no flaw in his explaination of the last two GOP candidates being very moderate and the fact that we have not seen hammer and sickle arm bands from the democrats doesn't mean they are not in the Amazon cart ready to order...
That was the perception of Bush REC.....and I agree with George....if Christie wouldn't have won the last election....with a little support and some "staying the hell out of the way from the far right" he could very well win the next one. HOLD ON>>>>> it just hit me!!! Someone over on the right in the GOP is a friggin genius! They are already taking steps to distance Christie from the hard conservatives ( read un-electable ). Damn......it's brilliant!
The dirty little secret here is this.....what passes for the "far right" by definition of our Gator pal is actually quite central to the core values of our Founding Fathers. Based upon his remarks on this forum, his views of moderate are more consistent with the philosophies of Marx and Lenin....some perspective is in order here.