Benghazi attack

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  1. Terry O'Keefe

    Terry O'Keefe Well-Known Member Administrator

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    That 60 minutes interview was one softball after another....get ready for the MSM to get behind Hillary and cast her as the greatest post-war Sec of State with many imaginary achievements to lead her to the next Presidency.
     
  2. gipper

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    Hilary of course voted to send troops to Iraq.
     
  3. IrishCorey

    IrishCorey Well-Known Member

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    Dave,

    I literally cannot be beaten in a game of 3 card monte. Answer the question.
     
  4. Motorcity Gator

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    "We have a lot of (threats) around the world. I mean there is a long list of attacks that have been foiled, assassination plots that have been prevented, so this is not some one-off event," she said. "This is considered in an atmosphere of a lot of threats and dangers, and at the end of the day, there was a decision made that this would be evaluated but (the Consulate) would not be closed, and, unfortunately, we know what happened."

    No truer words I am sure have been spoken about this.

    Given the ever present dangers all over the world for American interests it's most likely every day..... several times a day that threat possibilities are evaluated.

    I would imagine that our approach to all of it under Clinton probably is similar if not identical to our approach in handling those same threats during the Bush administration. I think it's more an American response to these threatening conditions around the world..... and not some newly hatched, lackadaisical devil may care attitude fostered personally by Hilary Clinton.

    That's my answer.......and it was hers last week.

    It's the GOP in it's political vindictiveness that seeks to personalize the incident as something that was caused by Hilary Clinton's own personal mismanagement.

    I'm not buying it.
     
  5. IrishCorey

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    So, in this day and age of endless political accountability for terrorist actions your answer is:

    1. **** happens.
    2. Hindsight is 20-20. We should have closed the consulate?

    That's ********. With the ground rules for this war on terror in terms of accountability that I assure you were not set by the GOP, you don't get a boot the ground ball. You don't get to make mistakes. We're burning all this money and coughing up all of these civil liberties in the name of safety and the best we can get in return after weeks to conjure up a better ******** answer is 'oops?'

    That's simply not good enough. These are lives we are dealing with and more importantly American lives. That is what these people are charged with caring for. There are no learning experiences... only success, and failure. When there are failures, someone is accountable.
     
  6. Motorcity Gator

    Motorcity Gator Well-Known Member

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    I guess because none of these people are considered a threat to run for President by the right wing media they are not considered to be "accountable" for Benghazi:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/12/19/state-dept-benghazi/1779837/

    It's Hilary or bust.......but no.....nothing political going on here...... :roll:
     
  7. BuckeyeT

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    She was the chief executive of the Department of State. She set the direction, established the policies and priorities and was responsible for having or putting competent management in the proper places doing the things necessary for them to be successful and establishing oversight and feedback mechanisms in place to ensure they are effective in their duties so as to to achieve their mission as the implementation arm of US foreign policy.

    An independent review body has concluded that she failed in virtually each and every one of those duties to the country......

    Again, I ask what were the key successes of her tenure that could possibly lead rational people to conclude that her job performance was anything but a failure in light of those horrific missteps were identified and that resulted in the attack and murder of a sitting US Ambassador in an embassy compound.

    Name one.....
     
  8. George Krebs

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    Hillary was in charge, Dave. Jeeeshh.
     
  9. gipper

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    Why were those people fired? After all "what's the point?" they're dead.
     
  10. Motorcity Gator

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    George W was in charge on 9-11-2001......Jeezsh it was all his personal fault...

    :roll:

    It's kinda comical that when the GOP is lashing out politically.....looking for Democratic scapegoats you guys are right on the bandwagon but when the Dems criticize anyone on the right you defend your side to the hilt.

    A never ending game we all play incessantly.
     
  11. BuckeyeT

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    Stay on task here......we are talking about the job performance of the Secretary of State and the degree to which that should either add or subtract from her decidedly limited qualifications for higher office. The opinion of the independent review board seems clear. You have suggested that we look at the total picture and incorporate her achievements before drawing any conclusions as to her performance.......again, please list her most significant achievements for our consideration.....or just one would be a start
     
  12. Tennessee Tom

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    That is one of the biggest problems here Dave. You will point an accusatory finger at the GOP but when the facts are built up against your precious liberal democrats, you choose to use a different measuring stick.

    Dave, you are Hypocrisy defined.
     
  13. IrishCorey

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    I'll take your hand on that dance Dave.

    As of Sept 12, 2001, George W Bush was 100% responsible for the failure to stop the 9-11 attacks and some bat **** crazy conspiracy theorists have him heading the whole thing..

    That was the mantra for the Democratic Party for about 6 years or however long it took for Katrina to come along so they had a new pinata to whack.

    Now the shoe is on the other foot... and you laugh and say that anyone who says such things are nutjob right wing crazies..You can't have it both ways.

    Chase the Ace Dave, it's right there on the table.
     
  14. JO'Co

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    Head Of US Africa Command Says Al-Qaeda Among Attackers In Benghazi
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    Gee, ya think? So when in the next century should we expect a response from the Obama administration? In three days, it will have been six months.

    Via Star-Telegram:


    The attackers who killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans last September in Benghazi, Libya, represented a variety of Islamist groups and were motivated by a myriad of factors, the top Libyan official investigating the case has told McClatchy Newspapers.

    They almost certainly included members of al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the North Africa affiliate of al Qaeda, which the French now are confronting in northern Mali, Army Gen. Carter Ham, the head of the U.S. military’s Africa Command, said in a separate interview.

    The two descriptions of what took place underscore the complexity of the threat posed by restive Islamist groups that suddenly found space to grow and expand after the collapse of the government of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, whom Libyan rebels killed in October 2011 after a months-long NATO-led bombing campaign.

    “I believe there are individuals who participated in the attacks in Benghazi who had at least some affiliation with AQIM,” Ham told McClatchy. “I don’t interpret from that that this was AQIM-directed or even an AQIM-inspired or -supported effort. But the connection is there. And I think that what I am wrestling with is: What is the connection with all these various individuals or groups?”
     
  15. George Krebs

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    Having a majority of the nation now dependent on federal government handouts and being the one person singularly identified as the Sugar Daddy, in my view Obama has the luxury of answering to no one. Not Congress, not the American people, not world leaders, no one.

    He is as close to a Monarch that we have had since King George. He can thumb his nose at anyone.
     
  16. JO'Co

    JO'Co Well-Known Member

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    White House Caves, To Turn Over Emails On Benghazi Talking Points…
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    Giddy up!

    Via Newsmax:


    The White House plans to give the Senate Intelligence Committee access to emails next week related to the controversial CIA talking points about the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, Fox News reported Friday.

    Citing a congressional source, the network said the administration had agreed to a request from committee members to review the emails.

    Republican lawmakers have charged that the talking points on the Sept. 11, 2012, attack were deliberately watered down and provided an inaccurate account of what really happened when delivered on Sunday talk shows by United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice five days after the attack.

    The source told Fox that the committee has already seen ways in which the talking points were changed from their original version, with words like al-Qaida stripped out, but it’s not certain which draft of the document the committee will actually review.
    http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/benghazi-emails-white-house/2013/02/22/id/491522?promo_code=1212A-1&utm_source=1212ADeneen_Borelli&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1
     
  17. JO'Co

    JO'Co Well-Known Member

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    Senators Complained After Initially Getting Worthless Redacted Benghazi “Talking Points” Documents, New Documents Show Efforts To Depict Attack As “Demonstration”
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    Via Fox News:


    Senators investigating the attack on a U.S. consulate in Libya and the administration’s version of events in the aftermath were livid when the White House initially sent them documents so heavily redacted they were “worthless,” a source told Fox News.

    The so-called Benghazi talking points were requested by the Senate Intelligence Committee, but were so heavily redacted lawmakers sent them back and demanded another set, a source told Fox News. Lawmakers sought the papers in order to find out why the administration repeatedly claimed the attack, which killed Ambassador Chris Stevens, a State Department employee and two former Navy SEALs, was sparked by a spontaneous protest over an anti-Islam video.

    But the first batch of documents contained hundreds of pages that were of no use, the source said.

    “It was so redacted that there was no information whatsoever,” said the source, who spoke to Fox on the condition they not be identified. “There were some documents that were 100 pages with every word on the page redacted. They were worthless.”

    A second set of documents were delivered to Capitol Hill Thursday night which had only minimal redactions.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/01/senators-complain-after-getting-worthless-redacted-version-benghazi-talking/
     
  18. gipper

    gipper Well-Known Member

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    Utilizing the Obama administration handbook of non-fault (a. blame it on Bush or b. claim someone under you made the decision without you knowing) the Obama administration claimed it had no input into the decision to releas thousands of arrested illegals awaiting deportation:
    As long as thier partisan zombies buy this **** they'll continue to throw it.
     
  19. JO'Co

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    Three Diplomatic Security Agents, State Dept Contractor Among The Injured In Benghazi Attack; Obama Administration Still Stonewalling On Information About Survivors
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    The information on survivors apparently still hasn’t been provided to Congress. It is incredible that over six months later, the administration is still stonewalling basic facts in this matter, despite repeated requests from Congressional representatives.

    Reports are now that Lindsey Graham has managed to talk with these injured men and Fox will broadcast that this evening.

    Via Fox News:


    Three diplomatic security agents, as well as a State Department contractor, were among the Americans injured during the terrorist attack last September on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Fox News has learned.

    According to a State Department official, who confirmed Fox’s reporting on the condition of anonymity, two diplomatic security agents were injured, including one “seriously,” at the CIA facility known as the “annex” and a third suffered smoke inhalation at the consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed.

    Four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador, were killed in the attack, and the Obama administration faced intense criticism from Republicans in the aftermath over security problems and apparent inconsistencies in officials explanation of what happens. Lately, however, the focus has turned to the attack’s survivors, who still have not been named.

    Separately, a diplomatic security source told Fox News the State Department diplomatic security agent who was in the most serious condition suffered a severe head injury during the second wave of the attack at the annex from mortar and rocket-propelled grenades
     
  20. JO'Co

    JO'Co Well-Known Member

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    700 Retired Special Ops Calling For Select Committee To Investigate Benghazi Attack
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    Via Breitbart:


    Seven hundred retired Military Special Operations professionals from the organization “Special Operations Speaks” sent a letter to the House of Representatives urging members to support H.Res 36, which will create a House Select Committee to investigate last September’s deadly terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya.
    “It appears that many of the facts and details surrounding the terrorist attack which resulted in four American deaths and an undetermined number of American casualties have not yet been ascertained by previous hearings and inquiries,” the letter states. It continues further, ”Additional information is now slowly surfacing in the media, which makes a comprehensive bipartisan inquiry an imperative. Many questions have not been answered thus far.” The letter puts forth over twenty unanswered questions the select committee should address.

    Congressman Frank Wolf, a sub-committee chairman on the House Appropriations Committee, issued a resolution for a House Select Committee to investigate issues surrounding the Benghazi Attack last November in the 112th Congress. He re-issued his resolution for the select committee when the 113th Congress began. The resolution currently has over 60 co–sponsors.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/07/Seven-Hundred-Retired-Military-Special-Ops-Tell-Congress-To-Form-Select-Committee-On-Benghazi