There were two guys from what Scott told me. They also found two more dead at/near one of the shooter's house.
8 adults and 18 5 years olds they said one kindergarten class was not accounted for. the man was 24 they said that the body found was his mother they also stated that he may been been a parent of one of the students. Cant imagine why anyone would want to harm a baby like that. a very sad day for America
....I can't even begin to imagine. An f'in elementary school....all just babies. What kind of tortured evil f&%k could possibly look those children in the eyes and pull the trigger....the thoughts running through those kids minds truly brings tears to my eyes...... Hug your babies....God bless them all.
It's really too disgusting to even fully understand or comprehend. For someone to do this there has to be a disconnect from anything considered human...
Incomprehensible......before Columbine. Since Columbine this has happened several times with young adults at the trigger. The question is..... what is so different these days? Is is it desensitization by violent movies and video games? Is it mere copy cat syndrome left over from Columbine? Is it easier access to firearms? Is it a disregard for mental healthcare? Whatever it is I suspect this one will start many balls rolling to try for some kind of remedy.
There are no changes to the law that will stop this kind of thing - short of a complete ban on ALL firearms. (which I suspect would be unenforceable anyway) My understanding is that Conn has pretty strict gun control laws already. Apparently they didn't work. Guns have been readily available since this country was founded... but we seem to see more and more of this kind of thing now. What is different? And I agree with Ralph... nothing human left in that piece of garbage.
Never saw this 25 years ago with our young people.... except for a few disgruntled fired and older employees here of there. What is different is a good question.
Dave alot has changed in society in the last 25 years the war and violent games played by our children and grandchildren the violence shown on TV due to the news alot more killings and violent actions are shown and depicted on TV every night . The dicipline in schools has also changed So what do you mean what has happened in the last 25 years. were you sleeping. The most violence my sons Corey and Eric ever saw was on the Football Soceer or baseball fields. I admit they love their war games now but when they were growing up it wasnt available to them. They were also taught to respect others. and that violence wasnt the way to solve a problem it never was or is now. Violence is now accepted by society as an Oh well issue... and now we are paying for it. sadly today w. the lives of 20 little children and their teachers
My 80 year old father called me this evening in reference to this terrible tragedy. We asked the same questions we are asking each other and the topic led to our young generation 16-25. He mentioned that one psychologist mentioned that death is so easy to visualize from early childhood these days, the internet, video games, television etc.. Our "now" young adults have been bombarded with non-ending scenes of tragedy both real and created. Along with this they look to our leaders from city, state and federal and see non-compromise that never ends and on going hateful statements in media and print with intent to defame and hurt no matter the consequences. I don't have an answer for the terrible hurt this has on the families and every American but my hope would be that our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of this abomination of innocence.
In this case, the VT case, and the recent Colorado shooting, the killer was mentally ill. The "mental health rights" movement that developed in the 1960's resulted in the closing of mental hospitals. Now, the mentally ill can only forcibly be confined in a psychiatric treatment facility if one can prove to a court that the person is an immediate danger to others or to him or herself. Then, the confinement is of a limited duration. Speaking from personal experience, trying to care for, obtain assistance for, or navigate through the court system and social agencies to secure assistance for someone who has a serious mental illness is a nightmare, both for the mentally ill person and the caregiver. Adding to the problem is that, in contrast to many other medical problems, the nature of mental illness is difficult to objectify and treat And, out of all of medical specialties, the fields of psychology and psychiatry seem to have much more than their fair share of incompetents. There are thousands of people who should be living in a supervised setting run by mental health professionals. But, because of past court ruling and laws enacted in response to the abuses that took in the "homes for the mentally ill", those facilities have been closed, and those who formerly would have been a residents of such facilities are now either on the street, living in substandard adult care residential facilities, or being cared for by a family member, untrained in medical care, trying to watch over someone who may be, at times, uncontrollable. Add to the mix a setting in which guns that possess the capacity to kill multiple people in seconds are readily available and the end result is recurrent episodes of mass murder. We reached a point in society where the horrors that took place today are all too common and viewed as unpreventable. We can rant and rail about how the person who committed this murder is sick and evil and twisted. But, what we are doing when making these comments is to categorize and evaluate the thought processes of a severely mentally ill person from the perspective of sanity and logic. And that is the problem. A person in a full blown psychosis involuntarily lives in a world of fantasy, paranoia, and illogic. And, unless we come up with a solution to competently treat, supervise, and house those suffering from serious mental illness, what happened today will be repeated again and again. The other solution would be gun control/gun acess but, as Scott suggested, the toothpaste is out of that tube.
Fellow Skyboxers: My opinion on this issue is the blame lies with society. We have way too many children that are being supervised by video games rather than by responsible adults. We have too many male kids without a male role model much less a good male role model. Gun control has never worked because you are only controlling guns in the hands of law abiding citizens. The criminals and the mentally ill will not be stopped by laws. We have gun control laws right now that can't be enforced on the people that are using them for this kind of purpose. Ban guns all together and if it is successful, you will find the criminals and mentally ill people drilling holes in buildings at night and piping in propane to blow up the building when people come in the next morning. (I didn't think of this... it actually happened in 1988 in Nashville at a business with an alarm system that I serviced. Blew the whole face off the building)
I got a remedy for ya....you show me ****** up kids, I'll show ya ****** up parent(s) that don't know the difference between discipline and accountability between lackadaisical and dereliction.
C'mon Dave...it only takes one....get in the history books....so which one of these Chuck's (Starkweather, Whitman) were disgruntled, fired and old employees?
Exactly where I was going with my last post. Babies having babies with no idea how to raise them and in most cases, no desire to do so. Males impregnating females like bees pollinating flowers then flying off to spread more seed. Family values of the early to mid 20th century are gone forever.