If anything the Gators should have the edge emotionally vs. FSU this year.....no excuses there. I used to say that in many years the FSU game falls right before... a week before the SEC CG game and when Spurrier coached at UF winning the SEC was paramount to beating FSU and it was a tough disadvantage for UF when the noles had only that game and no ACC CG to be concerned with. I keep using Pitt as my prime example on the ND side for this phenomenon that truly does exist because really.....Pitt had no business staying on the field with Notre Dame this year.....much less a near miss of an easy FG away from actually winning the game!
Seriously the guy who's team played and should have lost to ULaLa...is crticising Pitt? Not to mention Bowling Green and Jacksonville State.
You lost track of this debate Terry. I'm not not making excuses for UF or saying that the Gators are better than ND. I am saying that ND has not proven to me that they would go 12-0 with Florida's schedule and the Pitt game letdown especially tells me that.
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If the Gators can go 9-1, with no offense and having to get even luckier than ND vs Pitt to beat ULaLa...I think that the Irish could easily be sitting at 10-0 vs the Gators schedule.
Terry... come on...normally you are much more reasonable in your repsonse. Are you stuck on the easiest parts of both team's schedules or don't you think the hardest stretches merit the most consideration for possible losses? So you have no problem with ND going through that 4 game gauntlet at 4-0 when the Irish proved they could barely eek out a win after beating OU? Can't you realistically give an answer here? And by the way... UF drove down the field to score and tie the game with ULL with a couple of minutes left and were never in OT... but probably should have been where maybe then they could have seen how close they could have come to an ND-Pitt type squeaker of a win.
Gators went through that part 3-1, I believe our defense is every bit as good as yours maybe better and we actually do have an offense. So yeah I could easily see us getting through that stretch 4-0. You keep focusing on Pitt as a reason why we couldn't get through that, so why shouldn't I focus on you guys getting lucky to beat ULaLa as an example of how bad your offense is this year. I didn't even mention how lucky you were that Franklin kept throwing the ball to your defense, those weren't great defensive plays either they were WTF passes by him. That was a pretty lucky win as well. ULaLa Dave please don't try to make that win as anything other than what it was ....lucky against a Sun Belt team that gave up 65 points to a middle of the pack B12 team and 50 points to Arky State!!
geez... Guys, you need look no further than A&M to KNOW you cannot project how a team would do vs any other team's schedule. We were projected to struggle just to make a bowl. It doesn't mean the SEC is weak - just means the experts didn't know as much as they thought By that same token... you can't say ND couldn't run the SEC gauntlet. It would be tough, but so what? The truth is, it's darned hard to run the table against ANY schedule. Any team that does it, deserves a chance at the championship. I will be surprised if we have a 3 way race at the end... it rarely happens.
Voice of Reason, thanks Scott...that's all I'm saying. Dave always starts with "nobody outside the SEC" could play an SEC schedule and win.
This is not by a long shot the Florida team of several years ago, and this definitely is not the SEC of past years. Every team in the conference is beatable. Because they are beaten by other conference teams means nothing . With a few exceptions, each conference member plays almost exclusively ULaLa-type teams in their out-of-conference games, so the odds of being beaten by a non-conference opponent are very slim. I have watched every one of the top SEC teams this year and have been unimpressed. To put forth Florida as a power team in 2012 is laughable. Using Terry's analysis posted above, there is no question in my mind that ND could have beaten every single team on Florida's schedule, including Florida. But we'll never know, will we? Even for a crower like Dave, this is a season to be thankful for your record and to refrain from baiting others, but that's never stopped him before. Why now?
We are not even talking National Championships in this discussion but enjoying my team win a couple over the years you could always count on one or two games where they pulled a win out of their ass. I know that college football is more beauty contest than winning record compared to the NFL and the "so called experts" justify their position by bringing up games such as Pitt vs ND. But this will always happen because you cannot be up for every game each week. Love him or hate him Jimmy Johnson always said that you can get a team up for about 6-7 games a year to where they are hitting on all cyclinders. And I believe this to be true. As Scott mentioned Texas A&M is the perfect example, we just don't know if this team or that team would have won in a particular conference, look at us. No matter how we want to say it the SEC is down this year compared to previous years, maybe it is just the age of the current players or maybe it's the other conferences picking up their game. I will say this, playing in an enviroment outside of what you are accustomed to has a major impact. Every member of Skybox has respect for the SEC and what they have done but the downfall has always been they have played in the same places for over 50 years. Hell they can touch the same hedge their grandfathers touched years before. Going cross country into snow, winds, and places of hostility has a big impact on your team. You can discount this all you want from an SEC viewpoint but the truth is you don't really know, because it has never been a concern.
This Notre Dame team......the one I watched almost go down to a lousy Pitt team in Notre Dame stadum not because Pitt was any good.... not because ND is bad..... but because ND was flat as hell...... this ND team would not go through UF's SEC schedule unbeaten in my opinion. You couldn't keep staying the emotional course vs. Pitt and I guarantee you that somewhere down the the SEC line you would get snakebit if you couldn't maintain the focus week to week. It has not a god damned thing to do with ULL.....jeezus.
I want to emphasize that I think ND can probably beat just about anyone on any given Saturday when they have all of their ducks in a row and haven't played a highly ranked team the week before :wink: . That said..... you can travel all over the land near and far..even to the hot plains of Texas :wink: ....yada yada yada... but when your schedule only includes two teams so far from the current BCS teams ranked 10 through 15 while UF's includes 4 teams in the current top 10 plus another coming up in FSU I don't see the logic of saying that yeah... ND breezes through UF's schedule 12-0... no problemo. :shock: :lol: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/poll?poll=BCS
?????????? Huh???? It's pretty obvious that the Aggies are a different team and the QB has a lot to do with that. But their defense is also improved and I think they got a very good coach. Them beating Alabama puts nothing to rest where it comes to the SEC, in fact just adds one more good team. Question, if there were a playoff of four teams, the three that are now unbeaten and Alabama, just who do you think would win. And looking at the BCS standings right now if you had a 8 team playoff 5 of them would be from the SEC, seeds 5 - 8 would all be SEC. And there is a very good chance that the finals would be all SEC. But hey I guess we are just middle of the pack.
Dave embodies the very ignorant Southern football fan that I have spent the better have off 6.5 days torturing. That is not to say all Southern football fans are that way. Far from it. In fact, one thing sparked by the addition of A&M and Missouri is that a few more of the SEC fans are opening up to the notion that 'real football' is played outside of the SEC. They are also starting to understand that a good bit of overall bowl dominance has to do with playing Big East/ACC teams in their matchups as opposed to playing P12, B12 or (gulp) Mountain West. I'm quite enjoying this football season for more reasons than the run my Irish are having. It's just been fun. As we near a playoff, the reality of expansion is creeping in on people and that's a fun learning experience. One thing is for sure..by and large, I know a whole lot more about them than they do anyone else..and that's a shame, but it's changing. That's exciting. I think the worst thing that can happen to the playoff format is for the BCS to keep control of it (which they are) and they've taken a process that should be quite simple, and complicated it..but I am now resolute that in time (maybe not my time) a real playoff will happen in DI College Football. As for the ignorant Dave game. You guys can keep playing that if you want to. I'm really surprised you've let him stick to the Pitt card and not enough of you have mentioned Northwestern beating SEC bowl-bound East rep Vanderbilt. (Hey, you can't claim they are resurgent and then suck all in the same breath). You haven't made nearly enough hay out of the close calls and losses to absolute **** football teams. You could talk about how both SEC divisions are totally top heavy and the actual weight of those teams on top is HIGHLY questionable. How this is, yet again, another year in which the SEC really doesn't look all that good except for when they play each other.. I mean, I could go on and on about this but honestly.. it's not that type of year. I think Florida is a weird f*cking football team, but I've enjoyed watching them. I'm not sold on the SEC being in the best conference in the land. I'm still scratching my head as how anyone started making the statement (like ESPN has repeatedly) that the B12 is the best conference in the land. I'm not sure there's a best conference. There's just a lot of good football being played this year. (and some bad football-ACC I'm looking at you).. So why play the game guys? Dave is either trolling the hell out of you, or he's the dumbest MFer to ever scratch his balls on a keyboard... Either way, I'd prefer to just talk football this year.
I was originally going to stay out of this. However I haven't so here's another comment/comments. Florida and Notre Dame, both have won games that could have easily been losses. Actually I think more often than not teams that have very good seasons and win championships manage to win games like that. The article about the SEC not being so great? Funny the guy had to go back to 1998 for his numbers. He's a clue to him, it's only recently that the SEC has been that good. I am not going to debate the issue except to point out that we have won 6 straight BCS Championships and have had 7 appearance's in that time so we actually have one loss also. I don't think we win it this year because we are not likely to have a team in the playoff. However if two of those teams would leave and Bama beats Georgia then gets in. Then how many of you would be willing to bet with me that whoever that team might be would be Alabama? Corey has it right about not being afraid to play a SEC team and that is the way it should be, and no doubt our streak will end either this year or the near future. But in the meanwhile I love my conference.
We all love our conferences. Haven't seen a dick comparison contest like this sh@t since Junior High School. And no, I didn't win that one either.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Thanks Stu....the most accurate description yet.....the more things change, the more they stay the same....
I don't understand your question, Bill. If you are assuming Alabama would win, you simply are showing your SEC colors. Alabama has proven on the field that it is beatable by KSU and/or Oregon and/or ND, as is every other ranked SEC team. They showed that vs. an average LSU and a very good but not elite Texas A&M....at home. Don't forget that A&M lost to that same LSU and an average Florida team. As I said to Dave in an earlier post, this is not the year to crow about the dominance of the SEC. I don't believe you are crowing, but you are making a pretty assertive challenge to the non-SEC folks based on past years' performances. P.S. Stu, I've always avoided those kinds of comparison contests for fear of embarrassing myself. :lol: