T once the government controls the purse string they will then dictate to healh care providers what they will receive in compensation just as Medicare now does. This of course will remove the economic insentive for talented Americans to undergo the cost and effort required to be trained in medicine. Fortunately the Secy of Health can divert funds to educational institutions that have a history of affirmative action so that we can build a new army of doctors. Of course we'll find like England has that there just isn't enough money to provide the same health care as Americans now get. They call there administrative board NICE but it is anything but. (we call them Death Panels but of course the always truthful liberals deny they will exist.) http://larouchepac.com/node/10431 So instead of "dying in the streets" elderly patients will be warehoused in hospices deprived of effective treatment and medications because they're not worth the cost. The same bleeding heart liberals who whine about the defenseless part of society, shitcan those parts they deem need to be pruned. What happens is that we first undergo shortages of medical personel because of the great increase in patients. Then when the treatment times becomes unacceptable the liberal lawmakers will pass laws requiring treatment at the hospital within an alloted time. And what happens when, as in Canada they can't meet the requirements? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/17/health.nhs This is what the future will be with government controlled medicine. We'll all get universally terrible, overtaxed medicine and the assholes who promoted this stupid idea will probably blame Bush.
Oh, I see, it does not affect you so it does not matter. By renting, you pay no property tax and don't have to worry about a tax on the average American to sell their house. This affects retirees who normally downsize once they retire. Obamacare included many issues not relating to healthcare at all. One is a tax on the American public on the sale of your house. 3.5% i believe. It will cost someone $3500 for every $100,000 there house is worth. Now, how loud would you have been yelling if in addition to your loss of equity, you lost 3.5% more? Oh, sorry, It came from the pen of Obama so it couldn't be bad for the average Joe.
What I never understood, and never will, is why we need to change everyones insurance to cover the much smaller percentage of people who have no insurance. It's pretty easy to do what MCG did above and point out a few things in the bill most of us might like. However to take over the entire system makes no sense what so ever. I am stunned about Roberts.
Bill....what does "take over the entire system" mean to you? I'm just not clear on that. When I google "Rpmney health care reform" hoping to see what his proposed reform is I predictably got this instead as the top answer: Mitt Romney-Official Site | Victory.MittRomney.com www.victory.mittromney.com/ Romney Will Repeal Obamacare as Quickly as Possible. Donate $5 now WTF.....is stopping Obama the only good plan he has? These guys know a cash cow rip-off of the middle class when they see one and they want the status quo to continue.....that's what it seems like to me.
How can they isolate the rip-off to just the middle class? If they are ripping off the middle class isn't it true that they must also be ripping off everyone???? BTW, just exactly who is doing the rip-off here and where is the cash cow?
Haven't commented on the taxation on house sales. Is that a good thing there Dave? It does take money form people already paying property taxes to pay for your healthcare, or at least supposedly making it more affordable.
Bachmann: ‘Don’t Let Anybody Tell You We Need 60 Votes to Repeal . . . We Don’t’ <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/QTzQBE1ClBA?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0"></iframe>
"ripping off the middle class isn't it true that they must also be ripping off everyone????" That would be true. Big difference when your family healthcare expense is 25% of your household income vs. 5%. You can buy a smaller car....a used car....a small house in a mediocre neighborhood etc. but when it comes to your health you're f**ked when you make an average living. http://www.journalofaccountancy.com/Web/20102724.htm Tom.....where is the tax on home sales? Is that something Rush made up?
Of all of the arguments from the Right wingers here that are the most puzzling it's the one that Middle to low income earmers will have to foot some of the bill for their healthcare in various ways. In other debates almost to a man I have heard you guys wail that the rich pay all of the taxes and the poorer people pay nothing yada yada yada.... Well.....here's your chance to tag em!
Obamacare creates a new code section 1411 that provides for a 3.8%tax on investment income, including home sales, for any household making $250,000 on a joint return, $125,000 married filing separately. and $200,000 in all other cases. If Cindy and I sell, we would be included. This goes into affect on January 1st, 2013... after the election.
Glad you're doing so well Tom. Never quite got to the point that I had to worry about the Obama tax increase bracket for filing jointly....fairly close a couple of years but never there. Now I have fallen back in the ranks of middle class......and middle class issues are of much more concern to me now and things like exorbitant healthcare premiums and co-pays are more than a nuisance.....they are of huge concern. But then....and I understand.....you wouldn't know about that.
the vast majority of the changed tax provisions impact all....limiting deductions, saving accounts, taxing medical instruments, etc.... I ask again, who is the THEY that you speak of that is doing the ripping off? Are they the same ones who know what really happens to all the missing children?
"They" is quite a broad term for certain and I don't have the time to get into all of it......much of it admittedly I would have to research to list specifics. But I do know that "they" includes any and all responsible for the astronomical rise in the cost of healthcare to the American worker and his family since 2000. That "they" includes the layers of managed care providers and all companies associated with healthcare who seek to maximize profits at the pure expense of the average American worker. "They" have a captive matket......a market that has no choices and "they" are taking advantage of that opportunity. Unacceptable and if the Affordable Healthcare Care Act better enables Americans to shop around for more affordable alternatives it highly upsets the greedmongers of the world....such as Florida guv Rick Scott. He and Romney want the status quo.....which is untenable. It cannot continue. I can't imagine if I had to opt for my own company's heathcare......it would be $1500-1800 per month of expense depending on what was going on in the family at the time. Geezus that's a nice house payment and Cadillac in the driveway.......
A lot being said in this NY Times article from 2011: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/05/health/policy/05cost.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all "Obama administration officials said several provisions of the new federal health law would help make insurance more affordable. Insurers must publicly justify large rate increases, and they must spend at least 80 percent of premium revenue on health care. Starting in 2014, each state will have a central market where consumers and small businesses can pool their purchasing power and buy insurance. In theory, the exchange could bring more insurers into the market, increase competition and drive down prices." These are the types of results that Rick Scott is so afraid of here in Florida.
The article emphasizes that the biggest contributor to the financial woes is the cost of the actual health care itself. Better drugs, better diagnostics, the push for more "preventative" testing, overuse of the system by some patients, and overtesting by doctors. This law does nothing to contain these costs...