I'm not that surprised of the decision but am surprised at who wrote both the majority and dissenting opinions. It's reported that withing 12 hrs. of the decision the Romney campaign recieved over 2 1/2 million in new donations. As a campaign issue, I think it really helps Romney. With the economy struggling, the Bush tax cuts expiring in Jan. and the new health care taxes eventually to kick in, how are we going to get out of this economic morass?
Need someone to explain how these are bad ideas: "Starting in 2014, the law makes it illegal for any health insurance plan to use pre-existing conditions to exclude, limit or set unrealistic rates on coverage. It also established national high-risk pools that people with such conditions could join sooner to get health insurance. As of April, a total of only about 67,000 people were enrolled in federally-funded pools established by the health care law, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. More than 13 million American non-elderly adults have been denied insurance specifically because of their medical conditions, according to the Commonwealth Fund. The Kaiser Family Foundation says 21% of people who apply for health insurance on their own get turned down, are charged a higher price, or offered a plan that excludes coverage for their pre-existing condition.
The person with explaining to do is Chief Justice Roberts. He ruled that the Democrat's basis for the law, the commerce clause, was unconstitutional as it applied in this case. He then ruled that the the mandate to buy health insurance was a tax, and therefore the law could stand, because the Congress has the power to tax and nobody disputed that... Not even Obama himself had said that the health mandate was a tax. He denied it. So did Nancy Pelosi and Horseface Harry, and all the leaders of the Democratic Party, but there it is. The single largest tax increase in American history......more than two TRILLION dollars over the next ten years and it may be worse than that. Can Americans deduct this tax on their federal returns as they do with other federal taxes? Nope. What about the illegals who're being handed work permits? Will they have to pay the tax? I doubt it, they haven't paid any of the others, why start now? My state, California, has announced that they will dramatically expand Medi-Cal now that they have at least six million new customers to pay for. Why not? They've announced that they're going to build the bullet train too and pay for everything with money from Washington... Earlier today, a friend of mine posted something that you should all hear. I don't usually name my old friends as sources, but he put it up on Facebook, so he wasn't trying to hide it. His name is Johnny Hennigan. We played football together in high school...and he was all-world. Like me, he's a history teacher and coach. His last coaching job was at Rio Hondo College down in Orange County. Here is what he wrote: "Welcome to socialized medicine; while in Ireland a few years ago, people screamed for the days when the Nuns ran the hospitals in that country. Families complained that family members lay dead in their beds for hours before union attendants bothered to notify them of their loved one's death. What Constitution is the Supreme Court looking at?" What a mess. God help us all...
Dave, I believe that this law is overstepping what is needed to fix the problems (in the name of government control) while at the same time NOT addressing some of the problems (i.e. the high costs of medical care). I believe that medical insurance should be disconnected from employment. I believe that ONCE YOU HAVE INSURANCE...at whatever age...you should be able to keep it or an equivalent policy...take it with you if you change jobs, get fired, get ill....whatever. The premium should not go up because you got ill. Sorry...bad idea...except perhaps for children who for no fault of their own lack insurance. Insurance needs to be available to everyone...rich and poor...at affordable rates. The very poor will be on Medicaid (as they are now) What would you think of your neighbor if he chose not to get car insurance, crashed his car into a tree, took it into the shop, and demand that a car insurance company pay for the fix of the "pre-existing condition?" What would you think if your rates went up because of it? This bill mandates companies to insure their employees or pay a fine. The fine will be kept low and the law will make premiums go up so many companies will just cancel their insurance and pay the little fine and their employees will go on government care. The fine will be kept low because that is the plan all along. Many companies that can shrink a little bit and duck below the 50 employee limit will do so and some folks will lose their jobs. And some of Obama's cronies and contributors will be given exemptions.
We have slowly, since the New Deal, traded in our individual rights and responsibilities to the federal government in exchange for handouts. This is just the latest.... Roberts, in a way, left the door open and paved the road for Romney if he gets elected. By ruling on this as a "tax" does that not make it eligible for a repeal? We can't count on nine old farts behind a velvet curtain to undo all of complacency. If we want to take our country back from these Bolsheviks then we have to man up and demand performance out of those we elect.
What’s Next After the Obamacare Ruling? Home - by Cardigan - June 28, 2012 - 21:30 America/New_York - 27 Comments Cato@Liberty With the Supreme Court ruling on President Obama’s health care law, everyone is wondering what’s next for big government. Here are some ideas for federal policymakers to consider: Federal Broccoli Act of 2013: Eat your broccoli, else pay the IRS $1,000. Federal Recycling Act of 2014: Fill your blue box and put on the curb, else pay the IRS $2,000. Federal Green Car Act of 2015: Make your next car battery powered, else pay the IRS $3,000. Federal Domestic Jobs Act of 2016: Don’t exceed 25 percent foreign content on family consumer purchases, else pay the IRS $4,000. Federal Obesity Act of 2017: Achieve listed BMI on your mandated annual physical, else pay the IRS $5,000. Federal National Service Act of 2018: Serve two years in the military or the local soup kitchen, else pay the IRS $6,000. Federal Housing Efficiency Act of 2019: Don’t exceed 1,000 square feet of living space per person in your household, else pay the IRS $7,000. Federal Population Growth Act of 2020: Don’t exceed two children per couple, else pay the IRS $8,000.
I agree 110% with all of that. I haven't seen where the GOP proposes it. What do they propose to fix healthcare except to disagree with Obama at all costs? My view is that they prefer private industry to continue down it's path of ever increasing healthcare cost to the already soaked American public.
As we boomers hit the retirement button, the Social Security and Medicare systems are speeding up thier inevitable death spiral. Years of gutless lawmakers have been kicking those cans down the road letting future generations figure out how to fix the pyramid schemes. Now as we watch Greece implode on its freebie social system and as we see Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland strangled by their progressive policies including universal health care, we are about to make the same stupid mistakes. We watched Pelosi craft a health care plan that was "deficit neutral." In order to do that it required 10 years of funding to provide 6 years of benefits. From the very beginning it is another huge drain on our limited resources. On top of that our justice department has decided to allow millions of non citizens to remain here so that they can take advantage of our give aways including now health care. The problem with the liberal "compassion" programs (you know the ones, "charity is not when I reach into my pocket to help someone it's when I reach into your pocket to help someone) is that they refuse to look at concepts such as fiscal responsibility and limited resources. The lifeboat has a capacity and liberals continue to overload it on the mistaken belief that limits don't exist and "it's the right thing to do." . In the end everyone drowns.
So Gipper we just let people die in the street I guess.....or at home for that matter. My wife and I combined do better income wise than the average American family but we cannot afford my company's 1100.00 per month family premiums plus high co-pay. She wants to change jobs and therefore when she does even though there will be more affordable health care ( she's an RN ) there is usually a 30 or 60 day waiting period where we will have no healthcare except an option for COBRA....which would probably be at a 1300.00 premium cost per month. The point is....we are average everyday working American citizens and I would be really strapped if I had to buy my company's healthcare plan. So where does that leave the rest of America if my wife and I cannot afford what I am offered at my company?........Dead from no healthcare I guess.......is that what you're implying needs to happen?
How did this country survive for 150 years before there was such a thing as health care insurance? Families cared for their elderly, babies were born at home and doctors made house calls. No one expected others to care for the elderly or pay for their health care.
No Terry....but that's where we would be headed according the "going broke" can't afford to insure Americans viewpoint that Gipper is espousing. I understand the "going broke" philosophy but what is the solution? Meanwhile the gap between the rich and the rest of us gets wider and wider because of the increasing exorbitant family expenses such as healthcare vs. a stagnation of income. Because of the high co-pays people try to stay away from the doctor as much as possible which is not good for health obviously in the long run but if you don't have it you don't have it. What clear cut solution does Romney and the GOP offer to resolve this issue? Anything more than "hey...that Obama plan sucks"....???
Didn't the GOP recommend tort reform to help reduce health care costs? And didn't the bitch of the trial lawyers, the Democratic Party do nothing about it in the "affordable" health care plan? Didn't the Republicans during Bush's administration put in a prescription drug plan that was opposed by the Democrats? Selective amnesia is incredible sometimes.
Consider for a moment Sid what percentage of household income family healthcare expense represents for the average American family. It's staggering. And it dwarfs the percentage of household income for the wealthy so the high cost of healthcare obviously does not concern the wealthy nearly as much. It's a gnat on their ass but it's a 757 to the average American.
Then let's address healthcare costs.....this massive tax increase does nothing to address the healthcare costs...nothing. Symptomatic of the ideologues in this administration.....do nothing to address the root cause of the issues, but by the force law, garnish personal property, shrink the private sector and re-distribute wealth away from those who earned it through their labors....that's a recipe for success if ever I heard one.... :roll:
I believe there is a possibilty though that lower income people will have to provide more money to the revenue stream of healthcare costs vs. just getting free....albeit government provided healthcare. Overall that could have a lowering effect on the overall cost of healthcare and at least counter balance the increased cost of preventing the cold hearted, hardcore decision by health insurers of denying coverage based on pre-exiting conditions etc.