I can't blame folks for NOT getting the vaccine... it's very prominent on the literature they gave me while waiting my turn that is is NOT FDA approved, and you are taking a risk.
"Not FDA approved" is true...but the wording seems a bit disingenuous. The vaccine has been and is being rigorously studied and has been authorized by the FDA for emergency use. It is certainly not the first time the EUA has been utilized.
The risk of Covid to me personally being over 65 and with underlying risks like heart disease is a no brainer for getting a vaccine as soon as I possibly could...... which I did and completed a month ago. For others.... maybe they feel the risk of dying is small enough that they can't accept what ever vaccine risks are in their head but Covid can do much more than kill..... there are long haulers with serious and continuing problems caused by their Covid and really..... who wants to spend even one day in the hospital not being able to breath? Not I..... so a vaccine that can help prevent that is extremely welcomed by me. The ongoing risk of people avoiding the vaccine is that Covid sticks around and begins to mutate..... as the variants that have come out have been showing us. The public as a whole needs to step it up.... suck it up..... and do something that will benefit all of us in the long run. Get vaccinated!!
For the vast majority they just need to get the vaccine. I think nationally we are way past 50 million doses with very very very few side effects that are of any concern. As I said before I don't think most people who are not getting have some political issue. They are just overly concerned. Hopefully the J&J vaccine will be back in the mix soon.
"As I said before I don't think most people who are not getting have some political issue. They are just overly concerned." I guess then that the disparity of those getting the vaccine in Democrats vs. Republicans may be more of a conspiratorial distrust in Government..... even though most of the vaccine development was completed during the Trump administration. Most if not all of the people I know who are not getting the vaccine are Republicans. There is a clear and documented political division of those getting or not getting the vaccine so whether it's left over from Trump's politicizing or just a general mistrust there is a division.
I keep reading articles about minorities being wary of the vaccine, they are likely to be Democrats. Bottom Line, I believe any poll that says Republicans aren't getting the vaccine is BS. I live in Republican Central here in Texas and all the guys I play golf with have gotten it and the few people in general that I have knowledge of not getting it's concern for the speed of development and lack of knowledge of long term implications/side effects. I just think it's funny that before the election Democrats were wary of the "Trump" vaccine and then after the election it suddenly was just fine.
Stu, I'm on board with ya, just saying folks won't be able to sue Pfizer over this if it goes sideways, and you know that gets some folks attention.
Again, I just feel that with the almost 70M people who have been vaccinated that if there were going to be widespread serious complications that we would be seeing them, and I'm not talking about 6 cases of women with a blood clotting issue, I don't know the threshold but if .5% of the people who have received the vaccine had serious complications then that would be over 300k and I haven't searched for how many have had serious complications but I'd wager it's fewer than 1,000 people...maybe way less...I don't know. Bottom line is that it's incredibly safe. So I don't really understand the reasons people are wary of this vaccine, the mRNA technology that is used is not being used for the 1st time with this vaccine, it's been around for at least 5 years or more. I wouldn't be opposed to requiring a vaccine ( with some exceptions of course), and I have read that some companies are requiring it for workers to return, but I know that would cause an eruption of monumental proportions if we tried it. Just look at the upset that the Vaccine Passport Idea caused.
I think like me that most Democrats were well aware..... and did not deny to themselves the obvious reasons that Trump was pushing for a vaccine before the election and the resistance might have been there because of that intense personal election motivation of his and also there was the concern that if he pushed it out there prematurely against the approval or recommendations of the CDC then who could trust it? Now here is a typical example of an anti-vaxxer Covid-19 denier and Trump supporter: "Rock musician Ted Nugent, an outspoken coronavirus denier and conspiracy theorist who has refused to take the vaccine, announced he has tested positive for Covid-19, acknowledging he has been suffering greatly from flu-like symptoms for the past ten days, declaring: “I thought I was dying.” Ted Nugent—Who Called Covid-19 A Scam—Says He’s Been Crippled By The Virus
Clearly I guess Democrats are just smarter. I hope all of your medical/dental professionals are democrats you wouldn't want to take a chance that a stupid Republican like me might treat your cavities.
Not saying anything about being "smarter" ..... just a different set of beliefs when it came to Trump and Covid-19 for the past year. And he led his supporters down that path and really he never let up. I think if Fauci and the CDC and others would have come out in say August for example and said that all of the proper trials were completed and the results indicated there were safe vaccines available that Dems would have lined up to get one. If there were questions still and Trump was pushing the whole equation and strong arming the process and medical authorities like he is want to do then no.... Dems including me wouldn't trust it.
Good news is that 200 million doses have been administered and the supply is such that anybody can now get the vaccine fairly easily. While the former President received and continues to receive a lot of scorn for his handling of Covid and the vaccine, we are still so far ahead of so many countries. A lot of it is due to Operation Warp Speed, which got the ball rolling and the US committed to those companies to buy all the vaccine they could make. All we have to do is look to the North at Canada, a country many (esp Democrats) use as a shining example of a healthcare system. They basically have almost no vaccine. Germany another country that is way behind us despite many pointing to Germany as having a better health care system than the USA. We aren't out of the woods of course and we need to continue to educate those who have fears of vaccine that it is safe and that they should get it. The "experts" say we really need to get to that 75-80% vaccinated to achieve "herd" immunity. I hope with the now readily available vaccine and ease of getting an appointment that we'll get this rolling even faster. No doubt there are going to be those who just won't do it, there is a core of anti-vax people that got started with the idea that Autism was caused by vaccines. Hopefully the CDC, State Govt's all across the country will get out there and educate and encourage the vaccine.
Depends on which "experts" you listen to. I encourage folks to get it, but 80% won't be required for herd immunity.
Today marks my 95% effective point (2 weeks after second dose). I got my second dose of Pfizer the day before leaving Texas for the final time headed to South Carolina. Had no ill affects from either shot.
Appears that most on this board are smart enough not to politicize getting the protective Covid vaccine and I'm glad to see it. However around the country that is sadly not the case and I am sure you all hear this kind of vaccine resistance talk from people you know well or run into every day: A Monmouth poll this month showed that only 36% of Republicans said they had received at least one shot of the vaccine -- compared with 67% of Democrats and 47% of independents -- and a stunning 43% of Republicans said they would likely never get the vaccine.
Well if enough Republicans die off from Covid maybe you won't have to screw with the Supreme Court and making up new states.
I guess if those Republicans who refuse to get vaccines want to hurt Democrats then I suppose they have found a way..... because this **** has a better chance of sticking around and hurting us all if enough people don't get vaccinated.
Yeah I’ve had Covid, respect those who have been vaccinated let’s move forward. As mentioned I have a son who cannot take it because of his genetic auto immune system issues, have so many employees whose wives are nurses (count is up to 17) who refuse to take it because the limited long term data is sketchy at best on the effects to newborns and their desire to have more kids. The information is all over the board, French research at one point shows 17 years of immunity once the getting the virus. The common rebuttals are well I’ve heard of others who’ve got it again. Then using that data it’s roughly 10 in a million from current research who get it again. Have a cousin who never had it took the vaccine and now is 3 weeks into rashes and body aches. End result is the data is inconclusive on anything long term. This doesn’t mean I’m not going to take it but I’m not buying it’s my patriotic duty as the current president has said.
Certainly some have medical reasons Ralph.... like your son.... or perhaps a pregnant woman not trusting the vaccine. But that doesn't come close to explaining the significantly greater percentage of Republicans over Dems who say they will not get the shots. It's been politicized from the start by Trump.... and we all know that. "I think it's really important to understand that vaccines work best at a population level, not at the individual level," infectious diseases specialist and epidemiologist Dr. Celine Gounder told CNN on Saturday. "If you're in a community that is swimming with virus, 95% reduction is good, but you're still at risk." "Really the best way to reduce the risk for all of us is for as many people to get vaccinated as possible," Gounder added. US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy also highlighted the importance of widespread vaccinations in Friday's briefing. "This is one of those moments where we have to decide who we are as a country," he said. "Are we 300 million people who happen to live in the same place? Or are we fellow Americans who recognize we're stronger when we care for and protect one another?"
How are we caring and protecting one another when we're letting thousands come across the border and spread throughout the country and are not even testing them before we put them on a bus. I'm fed up with Biden people preaching on thing and doing another. And while I'm talking about Biden, what kind of idiot who's been vaccinated, wears a mask on a zoom call? He's a ******* moron.